Thoughts On SWTOR’s Crafting System
Crafting for reals, I am serious!
Finally SWTOR is released and operating, the NDA is not a problem anymore, and I have had time to experience and digest the crafting system in SWTOR. It has been a long drawn out time of waiting for this game and to find out if I will be pleased or not based on what they have created as their crafting system and dubbed “crew skills”.
At the onset of this article I want to say right away that I am pleased. It is a system that I have found to be fun and engaging, with just the right amount of complexity and diversity to allow me to find niches that I actually enjoy spending my time crafting in for me, for my friends, and the people who buy my products on my server. It appeases some of the fears I had in this article, before I actually had a chance to get my hands on it.
Some of the things I personally look for when testing out a new crafting system to see if I feel it is a success are things like these three indicators listed next. They are signs to me that a crafting system is worth my time and that I will enjoy it. While these are not all the things I look for, they still represent a very important part of my overall happiness as a crafter in a MMO game realm. Be prepared, personal opinions follow!
Am I able, by using my crafting skills I have chosen, to self support my character and my friends with quality gear and items I have personally made for them?
I chose Bounty Hunter as My main class that I am focusing on, I chose the advanced class of “Mercenary” and specced myself into a pure DPS role with a smidgen of heal ability for me and my companions. The two things I am concerned about as that class is my armor, because I have the ability to wear heavy armor from the Armormech crew skill to stay alive, and my blasters provided from the Armstech crew skill , so I can make stuff dead and get its loots.
I had the fortune of having a friend that wished to play a BH also with a advanced class choice of mercenary and the two of us made a very formidable pair indeed. I chose to work the Armor needs for the two of us and he chose to focus on the weapons.
This worked out surprisingly well and we were both poster children for the others work. We were always sporting the best purples made by the other that those skills could provide at any level range as we traveled through the content. Our gear allowed us to bulldoze through anything thrown at us at level, and up to 3 or so levels above us as long as we didn’t take on too many at once. I was proud to know that I was making armor that was as good as anything I saw on anyone else, or on the Galactic Trade Network aka the “auction house”.
We never felt the need to buy items off the GTN that were of the same skill we were crafting from, it wasn’t necessary, our gear was top of the line. The only thing we ever bought was modifications to supplement the mod gear we could make to fine tune it to our class and skill needs. There was other options like loot drops from warzones or flashpoints that had gear that was comparable and sometimes better but for the most part our gear we made was always at hand and very excellent. This was a total win in my opinion.
Is the system deep enough to provide a challenge and ensure that my effort pays off with the ability to call myself an elite crafter in my area of specialty, to feel like I have a niche?
You bet it is. It is challenging to say the least. There are many options in what you are able to craft, and many opportunities to learn more. Always growing, always adding to your repertoire of products you can provide. Thrown in the item modification system and wow the possibilities are staggering.
This means that the chaff will be blown away from the ranks of the would-be-master-craftsmen. The ones who truly have the dedication can shine and find that they have the ability to produce top quality items with high demand. To feel like they are truly special and elite and needed on their servers.
I don’t know how many times I have been searching the GTN and thought to myself that I could make better and have made better than anything I had seen for sale. I don’t know how many times I have inspected another character and come away with the conclusion that they needed to benefit from my skill and gear I could produce. I don’t know how many times people have seen the gear I wear and link to them in chat and say “wow that’s pretty awesome can you make me that”? From my point of view that is a total win.
Am I able to market my product to other players and on the GTN for a profit to fund all my crafting endeavors?
The answer is a surprising yes! Even for a market that is trying to find its feet and get established I still was able to make credits hand over fist from my gear sales. There is so much content to explore and experience at this point for me to have fully immersed myself in the options that alting provides but if I had the time I could totally see myself running around three characters or so, all supplying each other and being able make quite a profit from crafted gear and the excess materials provided from the mission skills.
Taking the perspective of a single player character running the Armormech skill though I was always able to produce and sell my best gear. I didn’t not waste time trying to sell the greens or blues because I needed all of them to reverse engineer to make it to the third tier of crafting skill products, the purple item schematics. That was the bulk of what I sold and my bread and butter. (I did also have good luck selling the blue critted versions of items as well, but frankly they were worth more to me as fuel to reach the purple tier to bother with trying to sell.)
For example the purple tier chest piece items at around a level 35-45 range I can make, I still have no problem selling for about 7-11k credits each pretty reliably. On average per piece, the mission credit cost of gathering the materials for these items myself was averaging out around 30 or so percent of the items sell price at that range which translated into a very good profit in my opinion. Not to mention the fact that if I was in a hurry to craft something and didn’t want to wait on the missions or gathering skill results, often times I could find really good deals on the GTN for those materials as well.
With the profits I had from doing my quests, loot drops, and item sales I was very self reliant and was able to constantly fund my missions, buy new skills for my class, and buy mods for my gear. In my opinion this is a win as well, and was a nice change from always being broke in other games.
These indicators let me know personally that I am very pleased with this system and foresee a bright future ahead as a crafter in SWTOR. A future where I as a crafter can be able to be needed and useful through my crew skills for myself and my friends and even my server which is a breath of fresh air and something I have longed for since the days of early UO or pre NGE SWG.
Bioware in my opinion has done an outstanding job with the crew skills system in SWTOR, what are your thoughts?
Do you agree or disagree?
Have you felt differently?
6 Responses to “Thoughts On SWTOR’s Crafting System”
I personally have felt differently.
While the crafting system is great in that you can assing tasks to your crew, leaving you time to enjoy the game, I found that there was still not enough of a sense of return on investment. I can certainly appreciate that it takes time to make worthwhile or salable things…but the sheer amount of useless crap you recieve, the cost of training new recipes, the crapshoot reverse engineering system, on top of the high cost of “living” in the game made it feel like I was wasting time and money. If anything I’ve made more money by not touching the system at all.
The Crafting is a bit flawed and not really needed. The only ones that is needed is Artifice – Biochem and Cybertechnology. The rest you don’t really need you can pvp and get better items. Hopefully we get a overhaul on the crafting system to where they are useful and not useless.
@KaelWolfcry I know what you mean about the cost, i have spent a ton of credits on reverse engineering and sometimes i do feel broke when compared to other players but then I am able to make it up when I get serious about making my purples to sell on the GTN so it has its up and downs for sure.
@The Adjective Noun I certainly don’t feel crafting in anything other than the three you mention is useless, granted you can get better gear in some slots via pvp but you have to remember that not everyone pvp’s and they need gear from somewhere too. 🙂 My purples are second to none in every way except when compared to some high end pvp and high end raid gear.
I find the best way to handle crew skills, is to ‘set and forget’.
I have chosen scavenging, bioanalysis, and slicing. Once I hit 50, I will drop scavving and take Biochem. I can sell all the stuff found from scavving and slicing, making lots of money. I can save money by not doing crew skill missions. I will use all the mats I collected leveling and train my Biochem to max. I will purchase the few diplomacy mats I need from the GTN, to make my max level Biochem items.
For gear, I have a balance of FP, pvp, and quest so I always have the best gear for my level.
DCZero, I have come to a similar conclusion myself concerning crafting on my SECOND toon. While leveling I’m ignoring crafting and just gathering materials for cash. Once I hit 47 or so I’ll trade out a scavenging skill for a crafting skill and max myself out, buying what premium items I would need on the gtn for the lev 49 and 50 gear
My 1st 50 had artificing with archeology and treasure hunting. It was very costly to me to level it while I was leveling, but I think that is b/c of what the demand is for the items made at a lower level are for the artificing set. Now that I’m 50, however, I’m very valuable to my friends to make hilts and enhancements as well as offhand items since we’re all sith (2 juggs – dps and tank, 2 sorc – dps and healer).
I have enjoyed the crafting. I do agree though that there are alot of recipies given to you and it seems like only a few are useful, or are useful for a very short time.
When you get your craft to 400 you need mats that only drop in operations and hard mode flashpoints. I have been told that only 1 drops from each boss. This will make the top level gear and products a craft can make a bit expensive, and likly hard to get. I know none of those mats have made it to the GTN.
I do like being able to have 5 companions off doing things while I am in Warzones, or on Ilum, or even doing some of the other dailies out there. I agree that it is abit expensive to buy all your recipies, I estimated all of the recipies together came to about 250k credits. It actually is not that hard to come up with that kind of money in this game though.
I like it, and I look forward to seeing what else they do with it.
Rosie